Generative AI for Security Teams and Products with JR Robinson from Writer

JR Robinson, Head of Platform at generative AI startup Writer, joins VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl and Ashley Stryker to discuss current generative AI use cases for security teams that go beyond just chat bots.

(Please. For everyone’s sanity… go beyond chat bots.)

They’ll also preview a deeper webinar discussion with Chief Security Officer Daniel Spicer on the risks and rewards generative AI offers security teams at every organization, airing on April 26 — save your spot and bring your questions to "Generative AI for Infosec and Hackers: What Security Teams Need to Know!"

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Chapters

• 2:11 How Generative AI Can Be Actually Useful Right Now for IT and Security Teams
• 7:21 Patch Tuesday Use Case: Leveraging Generative AI for Information Consolidation
• 10:04 A Prompt Smithing Crash Course for Optimized Generative AI Outputs
• 14:32 Generative AI Opportunities for Security Tools (Beyond Chat Bots!)
• 20:40 What to Expect from the "Generative AI for Infosec and Hackers" Webinar with Chris, JR and Daniel

Transcript

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:00:11] Welcome back to Security Insights. Where best practice cybersecurity meets real world workplaces and roadblocks. I'm your host, Ashley Stryker. And with us today is our OG host with the most Chris Goettl, VP of Endpoint Security Management. But with us today, I think even more importantly is J.R. Robinson, I think the head of technology for generative AI tool and platform Writer...? 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:00:38] Platform in compliance. My boss is the CTO. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:00:41] Platform and compliance. All right. I think you guys all know what kind of topic we would be talking about here if we have J.R. here as a guest, because everybody else is doing it. So we should too, because I'm a marketer and that's a good thing. I'm kidding. So, Chris, you remember February all of like a month ago. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:00:59] Yeah. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:01:00] Yeah. And we recorded a webinar. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:01:02] So a little bit of back story on this. We were prepping for a webinar around, you know, AI generative AI and the trend that was really starting to pick up speed. And, you know, we did it kind of as a 18 month prediction kind of thing, like, hey, near-term, you know, moderate term, long term, where do we see this going? And about a week and a half after we recorded in late February. So early March rolls around in a seven day span, all of our predictions happened. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:01:36] It's not a go. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:01:37] We had to scrub the entire webinar. J.R. was kind enough to come back on here. So what we're going to do for you guys today, it was and unfortunately, I outpaced us today. I mean, we're only human. And that's that's the danger, right? 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:01:53] That's right. That's right. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:01:54] So today, basically, we're going to talk about a little bit of a prequel to the webinar that we are going to be airing here in April. But we've got to kind of go back and rewrite that webinar. So you guys are getting kind of the preview of what we're going to be doing coming up here shortly. 

02:11 - How Generative AI Can Be Actually Useful Right Now for IT and Security Teams

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:02:11] So one thing, J.R., that I think is really interesting in the conversations we've been having is the question of, okay, AI is doing all of these crazy things, but has it done anything useful yet? 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:02:23] I think one of the reasons that comes up is because the scary parts make people want to be able to sort of cast something as inherently good or inherently bad and AI as a power tool. And like a lot of power tools that you're not familiar with, you look at a bad sign. You think this isn't good for anything but lopping off fingers and nobody wants their fingers lopped off. So everybody gets tense and gathers up behind that. But we make bad science because they are useful power tools and they always do a lot of things that we would not otherwise be able to do more quickly and more accurately. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:02:55] And I think it's the same way. As long as you're using it for the right thing. It does a lot of things that we find very useful to be doing. I guess marketing is is a lot of our early adopter customers because they have a lot of stuff to write and that stuff does not need to be academic papers. It needs to be descriptions of raincoats or whatever, and they're going to get handled by people. And so writer makes it easy to put together descriptions of 18 kinds of raincoats. And however I might feel about sort of fast fashion, I don't like it. The fact of the matter is that it consumes enormous amounts of ad copy, and with writer, the copywriters don't have to do the heavy lifting and that really leaves them more time to do the more enjoyable part of that, which is crafting witty things on on top of this corpus of verbiage. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:04:00] That is really funny to hear you say that. And I sense a similar distrust of marketing that my own husband shares. Actually, it's always fun. Dinner table conversations between the person who has blocked off all of my Google ad tools because they could invade my privacy using my home firewall. And, you know, I'm not actually spying on people. Will you calm down? So I sense a similar distrust and distaste for mass communications. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:04:30] So, Ashley, are you saying that it marrying marketing equals a need for access amounts of psychology or like, like marital psychology or something like that? Is that what you're implying? 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:04:41] It's certainly a working exercise in compromise. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:04:46] Maybe that's a question for Ask Writer! 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:04:47] Yeah, like to. Oh, dear. Right. But I will do it and I will put it in the show notes, I promise. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:04:54] I think more, though. It is an exercise in compromise, though, because it does force you to look at all of these things that you're spending all of this time producing and take the view of. They don't understand why. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:05:05] Strategically, I need to write all of this raincoat copy, for example; somebody online has declared that there's lots of raincoat copy and I, as a marketer, can see why you need all of this. Right? 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:05:17] But to someone outside of marketing, it just looks like we're producing all of this material that just goes to waste in this like junk heap of words. And yet AI now is facilitating me to do it even faster. Right. There's an interesting there's been a sea change and there's been a lot of marketers who are simultaneously worried that everyone's job is going to be gone because of it. I think. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:05:43] That won't happen. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:05:44] Let's put it this way. Ashley and I work together on a very regular basis. Ashley We've got a long backlog of additional content tasks that I would love to see us turn out. But you keep on telling me that we just don't have the physical time needed to do that, right? 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:06:01] I would actually put it to most marketers to really come back and tell me that if they had something that would let them write faster, more or more accurately, and turn out a higher quality of content, that their job would actually be in jeopardy, or would they just be able to turn out that much more and maybe just automate the turning out of some more of those mundane assets that you have to do every release? 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:06:26] That is a great experience, honestly. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:06:29] Literally everyone we've talked to --

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:06:31] So nobody's job is gone. It's just literally you're able to look at the mountain and chew it, right? 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:06:36] The organization gets a bunch of those nice to haves as well as the must-haves. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:06:41] And frankly, working on the niceto-haves is just more enjoyable for me across the entire spectrum of my job. I like that polishing above 80% -- that strictly speaking, getting to 80% on six other things instead of polishing my 80% to a 90%. But the real satisfactions are in that 10% quality improvement that you can do if you can find the time for it. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:07:08] My fear is that the work will expand, the 80% work will expand to fill that time that you are enjoying right now. But that's sort of a subtle second order effect of the whole thing. 

07:21 - Patch Tuesday Use Case: Leveraging Generative AI for Information Consolidation 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:07:21] So, J.R., I've I've asked you a couple of questions about more of a prompt engineering style of generative AI. Right. Right. So for those of you who follow another track that I work on regularly, we do a Patch Tuesday webinar each month. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:07:38] A lot of what myself and Todd Schell on my team, we end up having to do a whole bunch of research in a very short period of time and try to get a very quick turnaround on that because that's what you all need to be able to go straight into your testing cycles and be able to understand what are the top risks I should be prioritizing, what are the known issues that I need to worry about? How do I get into that test cycle faster and focus my attention on the areas that I need to focus it on most? So Todd and I can turn around a whole bunch of that stuff in like an 8 to 12 hour time span. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:08:15] It's literally 8 hours, but you just can't talk to him for that entire time. He's like big turtle. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:08:20] Oh, Ashley tries every once in a while and I'm like, "Go away. I'm busy right now."

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:08:25] I look at the days like, "Oh, yeah, it's Tuesday."

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:08:28] Right? Because you have to stack up all that stuff in your head. And a lot of it. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:08:33] Is it.  

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:08:34] Sorting out the stuff you need to stack up in your head from the stuff that's in the document that does not need to be there for now. And yeah, getting interrupted is terrible because it all crashes. Deploying upstart. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:08:45] Things. J.R. is. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:08:48] Just blaming anybody. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:08:49] And. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:08:51] There's no fingers pointing. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:08:52] Mm hmm. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:08:56] Okay, so back to the thing. If you want to feed 8 hours of reading to the extant AI and get a two hour summary that has what you want in it, you have to phrase that question very carefully. Like back in the early days of stuff on the Internet when Boolean searching was the hard stuff, or even with like LexisNexis or Westlaw writing a Boolean search that gets you the relevant results and not too much noise. It's kind of a tricky thing. It's a whole skill set all its own. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:09:31] And and so writing a prompt that will reduce a large corpus of material to the bits that you want so that you can then fit them into your head is also tricky business. Then you start to touch on some of the issues with any of the generative AI technologies, which is these things don't know anything. They they only know what is the most likely next word, literally, that is all they know. At some point you have to you have to decide whether the overhead of getting the answer is more than offset by the time saved and not sifting through the body of. 

10:04 - A Prompt Smithing Crash Course for Optimized Generative AI Outputs

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:10:04] So this is and, you know, I think this is touching on a more recent kind of buzzword around this: AI Whisperer

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:10:12] Yeah. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:10:16] If you... if you have to pick a stupid term, at least be a prompt engineer. AI whisperer sounds like the tech version of underwater basket weaving for liberal arts majors. It's just....!

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:10:29] Prompt smith. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:10:30] Prompt smith? 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:10:31] I'll take that.

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:10:31] Okay. It's a little bumpy in the middle going from the hard t to the soft sound. So maybe there's something a little more euphonious.... Maybe a marketer who is thinking about the answer to that question? Well, we'll do better. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:10:44] But I agree. AI whisperer is just cheesy and horrible and it should die in a fire. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:10:50] It should. Okay, so prompt smithing. Go ahead, Chris, sorry. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:10:55] Prompt smithing. Yes. So how does one get this special skill set to become a prompt smith? 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:11:02] Well, I think it's like anything else, though, I have a partner who says practice doesn't make perfect, it makes permanent. So practice with feedback to where you can see how adjustments in what you do produce a more or less desirable result. And probably now that I've said it that way, it sounds like a thing that somebody is inevitably going to point. And I, I think we're going to point A's at generating regex rules to add on top of our eyes. There will be all that recursion that we alluded to in the now stale and defunct discussion of what might happen in AI in oh months rather than hours. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:11:42] I think, Chris, I actually just was doing a webinar for and how we use generative A.I. to help with stuff like the podcast. Believe it or not, I'll include a link to that in the show notes. For anybody who's curious about the kind of the back end workings of production on this show. But one of the things that I was reiterating was that it takes time and you have to change just one variable at a time. So don't if you have multiple idea, you don't know what causes that good or bad adjustment. Oh. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:12:13] I'm not disagreeing with you. It just takes I'm calling into question my own personal practice. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:12:18] Yeah, No, I'm there's a lot of hard lessons learned in that particular talk I gave. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:12:23] Again and again. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:12:25] There there's. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:12:27] So all of JR's engineering colleagues keep on telling him, okay one variable and you are one variable, but this is just. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:12:34] So much. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:12:34] Through that last. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:12:35] Yes, yes, I've done that. I. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:12:37] I've actually... "I'm pretty sure it's these six things or at least one of them!"

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:12:40] Right?? 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:12:40] So the other part to it, too, is that you need to practice using stronger writing in your prompt. So the old practice, I mean, this is... You as developers and programmers are have exposure to garbage in, garbage out, right? So the stronger absolutely and more refined the words that you choose to use within the prompt will give the air certain color indicators in writing. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:13:09] It's called denotation versus connotation. Denotation is the definition of a word, and connotation is the color the shade of a word. So you could call someone a "woman" and you can call them a "lady." Both of would refer to--

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:13:22] Or "female!" 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:13:23] Or female! All of them would refer to a grown female human. You can also think of many derogatory ones, right? Which would technically all refer to a grown woman. They all mean different things though, and will imply different things. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:13:39] So if you think about how the words themselves impact what kind of shades of color your words are picking when you're doing a prompt as part of that, that's part of the skill of copyrighting, and I think that's going to come back into a resurgence. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:13:52] Oh, I know that you have put your thumb right on it. Yeah. Because what I is sensitive to is connotation. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:14:01] Really?? I suspected that, but...! 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:14:04] Yes.  

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:14:05] You are correct! And I hadn't thought about it that way. But when you say it like that, that is absolutely what's going on there. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:14:13] So being a good writer and understanding how words work in the world and not trying to rules lawyer the thing, but watching how it responds to the various flavors of speech that you choose is is going to be a core competency for anybody who wants to be a prompt smith.

14:32 - Generative AI Opportunities for Security Tools (Beyond Chat Bots!)

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:14:32] Interesting. So, all right, let's let's branch out into a couple of other areas as we wrap up here today. What are some of the other things that you're seeing? 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:14:42] I think we've seen that empowered search is definitely has some some additional value that interpreting, better interpreting, you know, natural language processing and taking it to the next step of like what is somebody actually searching for? 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:14:58] I think, you know, having just gone through -- we just did a dove com event with anybody. I was one of the we took four engineering leaders and 4 p.m. leaders to be the judges for that. So I had to judge 67 demonstrable submissions than that out of 130 total that were submitted and about probably a third to closer to half of those were AI- empowered chat bots. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:15:24] Aren't they cute?! They're popping up everywhere!

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:15:27] So adorable. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:15:28] Yeah, I swear to God, if I see one more chat bot demo, I'm going to lose it in, you know, at least for a little while. It's too soon right now. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:15:37] But the other thing that is interesting, is -- right, the ability to generate, if not complex code, at least like basic scripting level kind of code. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:15:50] So for those of you familiar with the Ivanti neurons platform, we have the neurons bots, it's basically a series of stages and automation that can help you execute some type of automated task that could also include modifying systems or doing things like that. So we had a really cool demo. This is not in product, this is not committed road map yet, but it's all cool things that we're we're definitely looking into. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:16:15] But an AI empowered search that let you find, hey, do we have a stage that meets the criteria that you've got and if not, generate some basic PowerShell script to do what you needed to. But even with that, the the engineer who did the demo was even showing how like, "Hey, I'd like to find all systems with low disk space" or "I'd like to return all, you know, processes out of system." He was even able to update that natural language query that he was doing to say, but only show me the name of processes and you could see it updated the PowerShell script to modify it to only return what he wanted it pretty accurate. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:16:56] That's remarkable. So so if we're doing that here at Ivanti, what does that mean for security overall? Both for defenders and attackers? 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:17:08] Well, good and bad. I mean, observability is a huge buzzword in platform engineering. And as soon as you started talking about, you know, using it to search logs and platform information and return the answers you wanted instead of a lot of information that maybe had the answers you wanted in it. I just sort of sparked on that because sifting through mountains of log data and time correlating that stuff is all stuff that machines can do. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:17:38] But explaining and, you know, any kind of structured query language, what you want to see is its own whole tedious task that requires expertise and prompt mapping seems like a more fun way to get it. That will open up that kind of insight that people are not particularly adept at doing it. And when it comes to hiring talent, finding people who are adept at scraping what is going on from the entrails of your log files, that is a pretty rare talent set. Yeah, enabling anybody to get that kind of insight is going to be an improvement for security. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:18:16] Yeah. So I think I think in general, too, to answer the people who are asking the question of, you know, what what practical applications are there out there, there are some emerging. It's not just the frivolous things that people have been playing around with so far. There's a lot more that of real value that's actually coming out. But think of it as like your average worker being able to be augmented to be 10 to 20% better at what they do, because the assistance that's lended from generative, I can get them to what they need quicker, easier and with a lower knowledge barrier to getting there really well. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:18:56] I think your high productivity worker is going to be augmented even more. So you're going to to X your ten x developer, one or two X in your ordinary employee. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:19:07] But depending on the tasks those are being...! 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:19:09] People like Ashley are going to be two or three times as good as they were before. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:19:14] I see what you did there. Right. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:19:16] And people like me will only be 10% better. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:19:18] And me, you know, it's going to be a toss up. I can probably be replaced with a small ShellScript. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:19:23] Oh, guys, come on. No, it's just... I think.... 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:19:27] But I think it also gets to that ten-Xing opportunity. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:19:30] Just, to close off, I think generative AI isn't going to replace your most knowledgeable workers, to your point. And I think it's going to... 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:19:39] I would hazard a personal guess that for somebody who's doing like Intro to help Desk work, right? We already have different automations and machine learning and assistants and our own platforms now to help move more toward level zero support where you have users self helping, all of that kind of stuff. It would be enabling. These are the kinds of first baby step generative A.I. moments, these kind of routine checks. First level. Maybe even a little bit of the second level. And then your third and fourth level of support. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:20:12] But for security and IT, I think we'll end up seeing using it in new and novel ways. And you can create templates and scripts for those who are not your best workers to get them to be standardized, to get them to be to give them the crutch that they need, that usually they're just desperately pinging. The same question to you on teams every 3 seconds. Not that that's ever happened to me, but that's that's just what I've been told. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:20:36] That doesn't resonate with me at all. 

20:40 - What To Expect from the "Generative AI for Infosec and Hackers" Webinar with Chris, JR and Daniel

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:20:40] All right. So I guess to close up then, what can so we talked about a lot of stuff about generative AI today. It was pretty good. I mean, what can people expect if they come to the webinar and or they can click on the webinar recording? If you find this after it goes live. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:20:56] Live, the bad news. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:20:59] I think that, you know, when when we have Daniel on here, we're going to have a very lively discussion of the security and privacy implications of some of the things that J.R. and I were just riffing on, because there is some inherent dangers to some of these things, right? 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:21:19] There's you know, we've seen another round of supply chain attacks, you know, code being interjected or utilized without the vendors knowledge and having that be a pretty catastrophic impact on their customer base. If an attacker is able to inject themselves into one of these models and shape answers in a certain direction, that could be dangerous indeed. There's also the privacy issues that come with it. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:21:46] So I think we're going to we're going to go deeper into a couple of these topics. We're going to go deeper into some of the security implications of the privacy implications. And what you'll be able to take away from that webinar is really going to be how should we be thinking about how this is going to come into our environments? Because there's there's not going to be a stopping it. Let's just be clear. Right? 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:22:10] So it's a more of a matter of how do we reconcile it's assimilation into our environments or... How do we control it in a way, into the larger truth of the A.I.? 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:22:24] The Borg. 

VP of Endpoint Security Product Management Chris Goettl [00:22:24] That could absolutely be the direction this all goes. So I think that's probably the biggest thing you can expect from the webinar, is getting a better understanding of what should you, what should you be thinking towards and how should you be preparing for this to fully immerse itself into your environment? 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:22:40] Well, I'm looking forward to it. We still haven't recorded it, but I'm very excited. It'll be airing April 26 and again, JR Robinson of Writer will be rejoining Chris Goettl and Daniel Spicer -- I have managed to weasel time out of his calendar once more and he will be joining us again to rerun that webinar, and we're really looking forward to it. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:23:04] Thank you so much again for coming, J.R. It's always great to have you on. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:23:08] Oh, it's always fun. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:23:08] All right. Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in today. If you'd like to continue today's conversation, particularly if you guys have seen any generative AI use cases or if you want to wait and hold on to your questions for the hacker and InfoSec amd perspective on this at the webinar, please head on over to any of our social platforms that would be @GoIvanti -- I V A N T I. You can check out the show notes for links for all of the reference and materials. I promise I'll include them all. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:23:40] And again, for more about Writer itself, which is a generative A.I. platform that (full disclosure) Ivanti does actually use, please head on over to Writer. They've got different types of materials that I would I personally would highly recommend you look through, but that's my own personal... That's not endorsement from Ivanti; that's just me. 

Writer Head of Platform JR Robinson [00:24:00] 100%. 

Cybersecurity Content Manager Ashley Stryker [00:24:01] And if you found today's conversation interesting, enlightening, amusing, please take a second. Share it with your colleagues. A classmate, somebody who will not shut up about AI, now that crypto has crashed. Go ahead and do that. The algorithm likes it when you download our track. And that way, more people who need to hear this, will be able to. But with that. Stay safe and we'll talk soon! Bye, everybody.